Ghosts I Might Believe

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Ghosts I Might Believe

Postby Judas Iscariot on Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:21 pm

At this point I *might* just might believe in the existence of Ghosts.

A little background from those jaws that are being dropped right about now.

So I moved into an apartment that is getting kind of old. Half of the stuff doesn't work, and the place just needs load of repairs.
I and everyone else in this apartment keep getting weird feelings kind of cold chills and goosebumps and the feeling of being watched and we hear random knocks on walls and stuff.

It all really began about a month or so ago. The 4 of us (Myself, my girlfriend, my 2 roommates) were watch a horror film called 'Mirrors'. It was at night time around 9 or so. After the movie we all started watch a comedy show. My girlfriend became sleepy around 10 or so and decided to go upstairs to bed. She wasn't at all freaked out about the movie (it wasn't too scary). She said had an uneasy feeling once she entered our room and laid down to sleep on the floor. At this point there wasn't a bed in the room.... She said she had this odd feeling about the closet and refused to look into it, or even at it for that matter. After a while of not being able to fall asleep she started to draw to pass the time while she got sleepy enough to pass out on the floor.

Around 12 or so I walked into the bedroom and she was fast asleep. I quickly noticed the closet doors were open and I kept telling myself to close them for some reason. I guess I just had the same uneasy feeling about the closet she did. I laid down, and I too would not look into the closet for the life of me. I wasn't freaked out at all or scared or anything like that. It was just a really strange and odd feeling of being watched. (I felt like a little kid all over again). After laying down on the floor next to my girlfriend for about 10 minutes or so I started falling asleep too.

Then all of a sudden she woke up from her sleep and started freaking out. She sat up really fast and was kind of yelling but it was muffled by a sort of sleep paralysis she was going through at that moment. But somehow she managed to sit up and look around. I snapped out of my half-sleep state and started asking her what's wrong over and over again. (Before she had done this because her leg sometimes charlie-horses in her sleep and it's enough pain to wake her the same way). She didn't really notice me talking no matter what I did. I snapped my fingers in her face, and softly slapped her checks to get her to snap out of it, but nothing happened, and she fell back down and past out.

About 10 minutes later I was falling asleep again and my hand twitched (I do this very often when I'm either falling asleep or even while I'm asleep). At that very moment of my twitch she jumped up again in a full panic. She was breathing really hard and she was completely delirious. I did however manage this time to grab her attention long enough to convene her to come downstairs and sit on the couch with me and talk about what's happening.

Once we got downstairs I asked her about the 2 times she woke up and she said she couldn't remember doing that. I then told her about the hand twitch right before she jumped up the 2nd time and she said she knew about that. I do it so often that she doesn't even notice anymore, or that she's just used to it. So it wasn't that twitch that made her jump up the 2nd time. I asked her if it was a nightmare, or even a night-terror and she paused for a moment and shuck her head yes. I asked her what did she see and she started to explain it.

She saw in her dreams both times a demonic face that was Red and Black almost like "Darth Mal" from Star Wars Ep. 1. But just a little different. We then started talking about the idea of demons making her have nightmares (She believes in Ghosts and Demons, but not in Heaven/Hell and God, so she's an Atheists that believes in the soul).


Next morning:

We were both downstairs and our roommate Connie walked in from her room. I looked at her and said something. My girlfriend didn't want me to talk about it with her, but I did it anyway. I said, "We think this house is haunted, and that's really funny because I'm an Atheist, and I DON'T believe in ghosts." (word for word). She looked at me funny and said what happened? We told her the story about the dream and she looked at me funny again and said, "How do you know about that?" We were both puzzled by what she just said. She then told us her boyfriend, the other roommate had a nightmare and he woke up. And then he saw a demonic shadow floating over their bed. The shadow had a face and it fit perfectly with my girlfriends dream face. *Note: The movie Mirrors was about a demon that lived in mirrors, but they never showed a face of the demon.* The odds that both of them had the same vision is really out there is the first thing that came to mind.

We then asked him directly about what he saw. And he just said he had a bad dream and woke up and then he saw the demon floating over the bed and he described the face and again it matched perfectly with what my girlfriend had scene.

We started all talking about the feelings we have been getting in the house and they said they get them too. Connie even said that she already knew the apartment was haunted and that she tells the ghost to leave her alone, and that she never closes the bathroom door when she showers (I always wondered about that before....). Oh yeah I guess someone was killed in the apartment next to us a couple years back....

So flash to last night:

We just got the box spring for the queen bed and now our bedroom is complete ;) . We ordered pizza and waited downstairs for the delivery man to show up. We both weren't all that hungry, but we wanted something good. Oh yeah it was our 1 year yesterday too. While on the couch I was talking to her and rubbing her feet. And then my eye moved to some movement on the base of the staircase. I looked over and what I saw will haunt me for the rest of my life (no pun intended). I watched what can only be described as a silhouette of man move across the base of the stairs into the window right next to the stairs. The weird thing is that it wasn't moving at all but drifting. The whole thing looked like a transparent card-board cut-out that someone was moving from my right to the left. I could see it looking right at me, and then it disappeared into thin air. It was also surrounded by lines that made it look like a bad photo copy, and the lines boxed it in loosely and they moved at the same speed it moved.

It was there long enough for me to know that my eyes weren't playing trucks on me. I watched it for over a second, maybe 2 seconds, but just enough to know the difference from a misplaced shadow to something really being there. Also it wasn't a shadow in that it was connected to the wall. It was floating about 3 feet or more from the wall and all the light source cast a shadow no where near where I saw it.

I started looking at all the windows for light sources to see if I was just mistaken by a shadow of a person outside that managed to find it's way in. All of the windows were closed and it was at night. All the traffic lights from cars do not reach into the house either. We were alone downstairs and my 2 roommates were not home. Without as much as moving from my spot on the couch I told her to walk up the stairs all the way and slowly walk down so I can track the shadows created from the light sources. Nothing matched just right until she was standing at the bottom of the stairs, but even then I can tell that shadow was on the wall and not free floating like what I had just watched. I then myself did the same test with her sitting in my place.

I looked around for a good 20 minutes or so looking for ANYTHING that could have caused what I just scene. Nothing could be found. I even tried to replay the scene by looking at her from the same spot I was in and the same spot she was in (as we were talking) and then look over at the stairs, and nothing. Not even much of a retina burn, nor did anything look like what I saw.

About 2 hours later we started hearing knocking on the bathroom mirror that is located on the other side of the wall to my room. Again we are all alone in the house and we kept hearing the knocking. I walked into the bathroom and their was nothing. I came back and it started again for a little while and then stopped.



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Now those of you that know me, know that I don't believe in the super natural world. So at this point I still can't say for curtain that I saw what I saw. But I'm not going to 2nd guess myself, and the collaborating stories of everyone in this apartment.

I know there are 1001 reasons to have the being watched feeling, goosebumps, and everything else. I know the mind plays tricks on itself when it sees something and tries to convert it to something it can understand and so on. I know lights play tricks, and so do other psychological things too. i.e. watching scary movies and telling ghost stories. I also know about self-fulfilling prophecies and all that other good stuff that can make a person feel or see things that aren't there. Believe me I went through every thing to explain against what had been happening... But to no avail.



So as it stands I'm thinking there might be a little more about 'life' than we understand... And that opens all kinds of doors.

Edit: Fixed the ghost to ghosts issue.
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby sheling on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:23 pm

You're in a new house, your girlfriend feels unsettled, your mind was playing tricks. The main reason I don't believe that you saw a "ghost" (I do believe that you believe you saw one) is because what you saw resonates so closely with the movie you'd just seen.

Old houses make noise; my floors creak when everyone is asleep, my radiators bang at random times and there's a knocking in the kitchen which I fancy may have something to do with the pipes. However, I moved in here in the summer when the house was fairly settled. It's louder in the winter - it guess it has something to do with us constantly messing around with the temperature; the house wants to be cold, and we keep heating it up, doing silly things to the wood floorboards and metal pipes. My point is this, had I moved in here in the winter, I probably would have felt incredibly uneasy, too. But I had 6 months to get used to the house (It's 140 years old) before the strange noises began.

You moved in in the winter. You also lack the basic comfort of a bed which will inherently sap your feeling of security at night when we instinctively feel most vulnerable. While "group paranoia" is a harsh term, it's probably the most accurate here - everyone is now feeding off everyone else's uneasiness, in a new old house which is making noises that can't yet be explained.

As for the shared vision of a demon that looks a little like Darth Maul... I ask you to consider any archetypical image of a demon: red and black, slightly threatening expression, horns somewhere upon his temples along with the capacity to loom silently out of nowhere in particular. It's how our imaginations have been taught to picture demons, just like aliens, for some absurd reason, have become small, skinny humanoids with green skin and extravagantly huge almond-shaped eyes. Had you all seen something less typically demonic, I'd have been surprised but, as it is, you're all in a new place, you'd just watched a weird movie and you all triggered each other's fears. The closet, incidentally, is also a classic place for our fear to manifest itself: The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe and other "portal" stories have long-since played upon the fact that, as we fall asleep, things like half-open closets can become filled with emerging terrors that cling to the shadows cast by the half-opened doors.

As for the man you saw at the bottom of your stairs - I would honestly say that's pure imagination. Which isn't to say that you're deliberately making it up, but that by the time you witnessed the figure, you were so keyed up, already changing your fundamental belief set and your mind, perhaps, projected your fears into the shape of a little guy at the bottom of the stairs. Even in a daydream, we can convince ourselves that things are real: people can think themselves sick, after all, so is it so absurd to think that we can cast little shadows of men on the walls when we're feeling uncomfortable?

I'm sorry to so heavily pan what was clearly a real-feeling experience for you, but I find it can all be explained, and without stretching the imagination. It's fun to play ghosts from time to time, but don't go selling your rationalisation for a good spook story in a new house, okay?
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby pattylt on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:55 pm

My thoughts are similar to Sheling's. I know the mind can play tricks and I often can not explain how it does, just that it makes so much more sense to me that it was a trick vs. some real phenomenon. I swear I saw a Ouija board spell a name and no one was touching it. In retrospect, I was stoned, we were burning candles and trying to summon spirits. I am quite certain the mood generated the visual. Doesn't mean it did or didn't happen but which is logically more likely?
I am bothered by this line: And that opens all kinds of doors. I guess I want to remind you as to how many other doors it closes, too.

Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have genuine scientific evidence of our minds "playing tricks" that are reproducible and documented. We have no genuine scientific evidence of verified paranormal activity and they've been looking for a long time.
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby Hampe on Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:59 am

What's you're objection to pluralizing the word ghost?
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby sheling on Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Hampe wrote:What's you're objection to pluralizing the word ghost?


Is that irony, Hampe? I've been puzzling over this post for a few days now.
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby Hampe on Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:59 am

sheling wrote:
Hampe wrote:What's you're objection to pluralizing the word ghost?


Is that irony, Hampe? I've been puzzling over this post for a few days now.

Well, judging from my previously flawless grammatical history (i.e. me furiously editing all my posts 5 times before anyone can read them), I'd say you're left with two options:

A) I was being ironic.
or
B) Reading Judas' entire post actually made me dumber than I was before.
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby sheling on Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:36 am

That's why I was puzzled, but you're not usually that dry when you make jokes!

Also, you forgot C - A combination of the two.
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Postby Zarathustra on Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:07 am

Hampe wrote:Well, judging from my previously flawless grammatical history (i.e. me furiously editing all my posts 5 times before anyone can read them),...
In the bolded phrase the word "editing" is a gerund, which must be treated as a noun, admitting neither adverb nor object pronoun. It should read: "my furious editing of".
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Postby Hampe on Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:59 am

Zarathustra wrote:
Hampe wrote:Well, judging from my previously flawless grammatical history (i.e. me furiously editing all my posts 5 times before anyone can read them),...
In the bolded phrase the word "editing" is a gerund, which must be treated as a noun, admitting neither adverb nor object pronoun. It should read: "my furious editing of".
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Re: Ghost I Might Believe

Postby Judas Iscariot on Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:50 pm

Well some time, a little amount of time, but some time has passed and here is an update if you will.

The house is still making random noises and I swear I can hear progressive foot steps on the staircase. An explanation to this would be: The floor boards were depressed in a walking pattern and they are returning to their natural position in the same order thus causing the repression that sounds like foot steps.

There are times when we hear banging coming from within the downstairs bathroom and we can hear everything shake in the bathroom as if someone punched the counter for where the sink is. An explanation of this would be the walls are contracting and expanding displacing the counter and the mirror so that it sounds like a punching noise.

The random cold shifts in the air that seem to pass by us could only be a pocket of cold air being displaced by one of the 2 heaters...

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